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worried about the nsa spying on the pope. this is going to be a big issue in the end, i don't believe that they reach critical mass and actually make profound changes and i could be very wrong but i do think in the end there are too many people that back up this kind. >> wholly alliance? one could argue these are people whether they are liberals or libertarians concerned with privacy. >> alliance that tends to frustrate their party in their traditional base of their party. they meet on afghanistan and meet on drone use and meet on surelts. you saw dick cheney surveillance. they are still in the republican establishment a strong defense whatever the. in sa is doing. in the end it will be interesting to see whether or not the new coalition is the majority. >> charles, has any of this, as it's come out and steve is quite right because the initial headlines sometimes isn't backed up by what we find out, has any of it changed your mind about edward snowden and whether or not he is a whistle blower or somewhere on the spectrum to t
worried about the nsa spying on the pope. this is going to be a big issue in the end, i don't believe that they reach critical mass and actually make profound changes and i could be very wrong but i do think in the end there are too many people that back up this kind. >> wholly alliance? one could argue these are people whether they are liberals or libertarians concerned with privacy. >> alliance that tends to frustrate their party in their traditional base of their party. they meet...
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thanks. >>> turning now to nsa spying. it looks like the spy games admittedly run deep on both sides. james clapper says the u.s. spying on friendly for leaders is common, has been going on for years, and that our allies spy on us in return. >> it's invaluable to us to know where countries are coming from, what their policies are, how that would impact us across a whole range of issues. >> clapper suggested the outrage and surprise expressed by allies in recent days is either naive or disingenuous. >> some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie casablanca. my god, there is gambling going on here. same kind of thing. >> the capitol hill grilling follows overseas reports on nsa spying in france, germany and spain. but nsa director keith alexander calls those reports false. they defended the data sweeping program as lawful and aimed at foreign terrorists and successful in saving lives. but a german member of the european parliament tells nbc news that confidence is destroyed. today a german delegation is expected at th
thanks. >>> turning now to nsa spying. it looks like the spy games admittedly run deep on both sides. james clapper says the u.s. spying on friendly for leaders is common, has been going on for years, and that our allies spy on us in return. >> it's invaluable to us to know where countries are coming from, what their policies are, how that would impact us across a whole range of issues. >> clapper suggested the outrage and surprise expressed by allies in recent days is...
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nsa story. it wasn't too long ago we were talking about the government shutdown, how awful that was for the republican party, certainly how awful it was for a lot of people who found themselves without paychecks and a lot of services. but certainly the last two weeks have been a very big boom for the republican party and you've seen the obama administration and white house certainly on the defensive. >> with this -- for example, with the nsa, i don't know how it's necessarily a big boom for them because you do have rpz like peter king defending the administration and defending the president. there are not clear divided lines as we saw with the government shutdown and even early on with republicans who were hand in hand on fighting the health care law. >> tamron, let pe put it a different way. a lot of folks on capitol hill are all -- the more we talk about nsa and all of the glitches involved with the website and problems and flaws in the health care law, and you're for getting about the governm
nsa story. it wasn't too long ago we were talking about the government shutdown, how awful that was for the republican party, certainly how awful it was for a lot of people who found themselves without paychecks and a lot of services. but certainly the last two weeks have been a very big boom for the republican party and you've seen the obama administration and white house certainly on the defensive. >> with this -- for example, with the nsa, i don't know how it's necessarily a big boom...
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regarding the nsa tapping the phones of nearly three dozen world leaders. add president obama himself to the list of those surprised to learn it was going on. a senior administration official tells me president obama did not learn until recently of the nsa surveillance of other world leaders including allies, confirming a report that first appeared in this morning's "wall street journal," citing u.s. officials that the white house did not know until an internal review over the summer after which it ended some of those programs. the senior administration official tells me the program that monitored the phone of german chancellor angela merkel did not end until quite recently. the white house today sidestepped any comment on that report while vaguely promising more accountability. >> we recognize that there need to be additional constraints on how we gather and use intelligence, but the president has directed us to review our surveillance capabilities. the entire review that is being led by the white house will be completed by the end of the year. >> the offi
regarding the nsa tapping the phones of nearly three dozen world leaders. add president obama himself to the list of those surprised to learn it was going on. a senior administration official tells me president obama did not learn until recently of the nsa surveillance of other world leaders including allies, confirming a report that first appeared in this morning's "wall street journal," citing u.s. officials that the white house did not know until an internal review over the summer...
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nsa has advantages. but one of the points that mike rogers made in this hearing, and clapper and alexander, in effect, everyone's hands are dirty. they say, yes, we are the target of foreign intelligence operations but also say that we go after not only our allies but -- the leaders of our allies. used the term leadership intentions are both a reasonable and acceptable and valuable target for american intelligence operations. and -- than falling under that umbrella may the phone calls of america i will and others. >> chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. thanks. congressman adam schiff of california sits on the house intelligence committee and stepped out of today's meeting to speak to us live from capitol hill. thanks for joining us. quickly, james clapper was also asked if our allies are guilty of the same sort of thing. here is what he said. >> do you believe that the allies have conducted or at any time, any type of espionage activity against the united states of america, intelligence se
nsa has advantages. but one of the points that mike rogers made in this hearing, and clapper and alexander, in effect, everyone's hands are dirty. they say, yes, we are the target of foreign intelligence operations but also say that we go after not only our allies but -- the leaders of our allies. used the term leadership intentions are both a reasonable and acceptable and valuable target for american intelligence operations. and -- than falling under that umbrella may the phone calls of...
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keith alexander, the head of the nsa, is going to be stepping down. he made an awfully strange youtube video this weekend where he sort of is explaining in this odd way how terrible reporters are. that just doesn't seem to be the same kind of message that we're getting from the white house, which is a president that says he's welcoming this debate, that he wants to talk about it, that he's obviously very concerned about not just the snowden reports but really the ramifications of how allies are responding and how americans are responding to the way their data is being sifted and used, the way they're being tracked and traced. i think these are really big issues. i think if there are signs from the white house that they are very concerned about what the nsa is up to, that's probably a good thing for everyone. >> and then you have republicans who are saying to the president embrace this. this is all legitimate stuff. >> look, we have to start from the premise that terrorism is real and that we now have the basic tools of investigation today in police wo
keith alexander, the head of the nsa, is going to be stepping down. he made an awfully strange youtube video this weekend where he sort of is explaining in this odd way how terrible reporters are. that just doesn't seem to be the same kind of message that we're getting from the white house, which is a president that says he's welcoming this debate, that he wants to talk about it, that he's obviously very concerned about not just the snowden reports but really the ramifications of how allies are...
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that was clearly the head of the nsa and not the director of national spellens. on the issue of doing surveillance on foreign intelligence leader, specifically the german chancellor, angela merkel, what they testified to today is that this kind of collection, including listening in on the telephone calls of foreign leaders, is a bedrock principle of intelligence and has been for decades, and that this is information was clearly understood by the white house, by the national security council staff, and also by people who sit on the congressional intelligence committees, which raises questions about the statements by senator feinstein, who leads the senate intelligence committee, she seemed to be unaware or was not fully briefed on the scope of these surveillance programs. >> what about the talk of possible changes in policy? >> well, probably a half dozen proposals now on the table. if i was going to break them down very simply, they sort of fall into two baskets. one really advocates taking this collection of phone records and rather than having the u.s. governme
that was clearly the head of the nsa and not the director of national spellens. on the issue of doing surveillance on foreign intelligence leader, specifically the german chancellor, angela merkel, what they testified to today is that this kind of collection, including listening in on the telephone calls of foreign leaders, is a bedrock principle of intelligence and has been for decades, and that this is information was clearly understood by the white house, by the national security council...
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why wasn't the nsa more forthcoming to the president of the united states? >> and dianne feinstein has just confirmed publicly that this spying on angela merkel's telephones goes back to 2002. it's my understanding president obama, she says, was not aware of chancellor merkel's communications were being collected since 2002. that is a big problem. he's met with the chancellor of germany on numerous occasions. you would have thought somebody would have said to him mr. president, by the way, we listen to her phone conversations on her cell phone, you should know this. >> i talked to people on both sides of this. some say if he didn't know, he should have known. he should just have assumed it. others say well, this is the way the nsa operates and you need to pierce that and you need to change the system, because just because as jay carney said today, just because they can gather all this information doesn't mean that they should gather all this information. that's why it's clear the president is having a review in the wake of the edward snowden disclosures but
why wasn't the nsa more forthcoming to the president of the united states? >> and dianne feinstein has just confirmed publicly that this spying on angela merkel's telephones goes back to 2002. it's my understanding president obama, she says, was not aware of chancellor merkel's communications were being collected since 2002. that is a big problem. he's met with the chancellor of germany on numerous occasions. you would have thought somebody would have said to him mr. president, by the...
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when we come back, the nsa controversy grows. as a new round of leaks that the spy agency against the white house over who knew what about our overseas intelligence operati operations. [ coughs, sneezes ] i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is. tomato florentine soup, it took a little time to get it just right. [ ding ] ♪ but finally, it happened. perfection. at progresso, we've got a passion for quality, because you've got a passion for taste. [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. and at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. come to the winter event and get the mercedes-benz you've always wished for, now for an exceptional price. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease the 2014 e350 for $579 a month at your local merce
when we come back, the nsa controversy grows. as a new round of leaks that the spy agency against the white house over who knew what about our overseas intelligence operati operations. [ coughs, sneezes ] i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is. tomato...
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now he is ordering a full review of the nsa surveillance operations and the foreign relations fallout. here is more from our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. >> reporter: president obama would not confirm the nsa was spying on the phone calls of u.s. allies like germany's chancellor angela merkel. >> the national security operations generally have one purpose and that is to make sure that the american people are safe. i'm making a review to make sure what they are able to do doesn't necessarily mean what they should be doing. >> reporter: senior administration officials tell cnn president obama did not know about the nsa surveillance of merkel and other allies until earlier this year. when he found out he ordered a stop to some of the programs. the democratic chairman of the senate intelligence community dianne feinstein usually an ally of the white house says that is not good enough and wants a total review of all u.s. intelligence programs. here is one explanation former vice president cheney gave cnn's jake tapper. >> we are vulnerable as was shown on 9/11. you ne
now he is ordering a full review of the nsa surveillance operations and the foreign relations fallout. here is more from our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. >> reporter: president obama would not confirm the nsa was spying on the phone calls of u.s. allies like germany's chancellor angela merkel. >> the national security operations generally have one purpose and that is to make sure that the american people are safe. i'm making a review to make sure what they are...
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good morning to you. >> hi, veronica. >> let's talk about the nsa listening in on heads of state. how do you feel these revelations have effeaffected t united states and what damage has been done. >> it's too early to tell how much lasting damage but it's a bit of a public relations problem for the white house. you have a close ally in angela merkel who the president has tried to develop a working relationship on issues like terrorism, the global economy and now she is very upset and probably rightly so about the revelations that the u.s. has been tapping her cell phone now as far back as 2002 in the bush administration and the question is whether the president was ever briefed about this. if not, why not? why didn't he end it earlier? but the white house saying the president didn't know about it until recently and they stopped it. they're going to send a delegation here to get to the bottom of it. >> let's talk about what's happening here in washington. not everyone is angry about this. we have republican sasing these countries should be thankful. we heard from peter king earlier
good morning to you. >> hi, veronica. >> let's talk about the nsa listening in on heads of state. how do you feel these revelations have effeaffected t united states and what damage has been done. >> it's too early to tell how much lasting damage but it's a bit of a public relations problem for the white house. you have a close ally in angela merkel who the president has tried to develop a working relationship on issues like terrorism, the global economy and now she is very...
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nsa saide yes, we will change those domestically. if the post story is accurate, at the same time they were changing domestic procedures, they were in effect going around them by collecting similar data overseas. you don't say i'm closing front door and go in the back door. this one that people -- even people sympathetic to the broad mission of counter-terrorism and intelligence collection, they should be bothered by this report. >> just briefly i've been told by officials the intent was not to go in the back door, they believe under executive order in the '80s they have every right to do this from foreign to foreign intelligence. they do sweep of americans in the mix if they have foreign telephones. >> andrea, you're absolutely right. every intelligence agencies exists to break the laws of foreign countries. if you were going to do it legally, you'd do it with the state department. the problem is if you're using that broad authority to in effect get around limits that would be placed on domestic activities by other statutes, that is
nsa saide yes, we will change those domestically. if the post story is accurate, at the same time they were changing domestic procedures, they were in effect going around them by collecting similar data overseas. you don't say i'm closing front door and go in the back door. this one that people -- even people sympathetic to the broad mission of counter-terrorism and intelligence collection, they should be bothered by this report. >> just briefly i've been told by officials the intent was...
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are you -- >> it's hard to say because we don't really know what the nsa is doing. i'm for more transparency but you can't have complete transparency because they are a spy agency. you're keeping secrets. of course we're keeping secrets. >> so where is that line though? no one can quite work out, where is the line? >> we don't want a rogue agency. what i don't want to know and find out is that they are dog things and obama doesn't know about it. it's one thing if obama knows about it -- >> he claimed he didn't know the nsa had been bugging angela merkle for years. >> they are in an agency or oliver norths, we don't need that. >> what about edward snowden in terms of the amount he disclosed. people have a view of manning on wiki lakes. >> movies are too long. yes, i mean the -- i can't remember the guy's name. i think it's bradford who said, you know, when you keep making the haystack bigger, it's harder to find the needle. look how many people are on the terrorist watch list, over a million. how many people have security clearance, how much space we're building to h
are you -- >> it's hard to say because we don't really know what the nsa is doing. i'm for more transparency but you can't have complete transparency because they are a spy agency. you're keeping secrets. of course we're keeping secrets. >> so where is that line though? no one can quite work out, where is the line? >> we don't want a rogue agency. what i don't want to know and find out is that they are dog things and obama doesn't know about it. it's one thing if obama knows...
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they're focusing on obama care, the nsa controversy. it's a tough position for president obama and his team, but i think there are parallels in both the nsa issue as well as the obama care website. they have to release more information. it continues to be a story if they don't release the enrollment numbers. i mean, clearly, if those numbers were good, they would be out. they keep saying mid-november. >> not until november, right? that's what we just heard from her this morning. we also heard, you know, that obama did not know about spying on allies. we heard obama did not know the health care website was such a mess. is i don't know really an acceptable defense? because at some point, you know, just speaking optically, don't you start to be perceived as out of touch? >> yeah, and previously obama hasn't taken this stance. he said on a number of occasions the buck stops with me, whether it's benghazi or other issues that he had in the first term. so i don't think that's a good long-term strategy. any time you're having that discussion o
they're focusing on obama care, the nsa controversy. it's a tough position for president obama and his team, but i think there are parallels in both the nsa issue as well as the obama care website. they have to release more information. it continues to be a story if they don't release the enrollment numbers. i mean, clearly, if those numbers were good, they would be out. they keep saying mid-november. >> not until november, right? that's what we just heard from her this morning. we also...
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and it was over the nsa's surveillance on foreign officials. chief intelligence correspondent kathrine reports his message was it's just business as usual. >> reporter: the nation's spy chief testified it should be no secret to the president nor his national security staff that the u.s. intelligence community is targeting foreign leaders. at one point comparing the nsa's surveillance controversy to a hollywood film. >> some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie "casa blanca." my god, there's gambling going on here. it's the same kind of thing. >> would it be fair to say that the white house should know what those collection priorities are? >> they can and do. >> reporter: thrust into the headlines with the very public complaints of the german chancellor merkel and her counterparts in france, spain, brazil and mexico. witnesses testified the practice is not new. >> it's one of the first things i learned in intel school in 1963. >> the best way to determine a foreign leader's intentions is to somehow either get close to a foreign leader o
and it was over the nsa's surveillance on foreign officials. chief intelligence correspondent kathrine reports his message was it's just business as usual. >> reporter: the nation's spy chief testified it should be no secret to the president nor his national security staff that the u.s. intelligence community is targeting foreign leaders. at one point comparing the nsa's surveillance controversy to a hollywood film. >> some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie "casa...
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the nsa says obama didn't know about this. we're supposed to believe he didn't know about the nsa until he heard -- the spying on merkel until he heard about it on the news? fast and furious, journalists being subpoenaed, consulate, irs -- >> no, he's being all inclusive -- >> so here's the point -- but, on the other hand, if they've data mined billions upon billions of phone calls, so anything good that happens, president obama takes credit for. anything that's bad that happens, he says, i didn't know about it, no one told me about it. that is the definition of not incompetence but lack of -- what's the word i'm looking for? >> less memory than a floppy disc. >> why you say -- >> -- like the french today, like obsessive -- >> i've never liked the french -- that aside, germany, particularly france, of all the countries in the world that have nothing to complain about. >> thought you were more obsessed with the chinese. you switched gears. i was watching fox news and i was glued to it. i was watching with shepard smith. you wer
the nsa says obama didn't know about this. we're supposed to believe he didn't know about the nsa until he heard -- the spying on merkel until he heard about it on the news? fast and furious, journalists being subpoenaed, consulate, irs -- >> no, he's being all inclusive -- >> so here's the point -- but, on the other hand, if they've data mined billions upon billions of phone calls, so anything good that happens, president obama takes credit for. anything that's bad that happens, he...
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late on what the obama administration knew about the nsa surveillance. also ahead, support for legalizing marijuana is at an all-time high so to speak. thank you [ laughter ] >> aisle be here all week. should schools send home letters telling parents their kids are overweight? fat letters a lot of people call them. we'll be talking about all that tonight. we begin with obama care under fire still yet again with the affordable care act already off
late on what the obama administration knew about the nsa surveillance. also ahead, support for legalizing marijuana is at an all-time high so to speak. thank you [ laughter ] >> aisle be here all week. should schools send home letters telling parents their kids are overweight? fat letters a lot of people call them. we'll be talking about all that tonight. we begin with obama care under fire still yet again with the affordable care act already off
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this is something the white house and nsa deny. "wall street journal" reports the president was only made aware of this last summer. conflicting at this point. neither answers is satisfying because either he didn't have enough oversight or he hasn't been entirely forthcoming. demands for more information. some of these things are so sensitive, he can't go into full detail. >> there's a review under way right now. we expect other potentially controversial details to emerge. >> no question. they a real worry now particularly for relationships sensitive intelligence sharing relationships with the u.s. we share intelligence with the germans, french and so on. these relationships in south asia, in the middle east, more difficult countries for which a revelation they're cooperating on a country like iran could be damaging for them and u.s. relationships with them. >> in germany, this is especially sensitive because of east germany and the way it was ruled during the communist era. this is such a sensitive issue for the chancellor angela
this is something the white house and nsa deny. "wall street journal" reports the president was only made aware of this last summer. conflicting at this point. neither answers is satisfying because either he didn't have enough oversight or he hasn't been entirely forthcoming. demands for more information. some of these things are so sensitive, he can't go into full detail. >> there's a review under way right now. we expect other potentially controversial details to emerge....
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to nsa partners. to be perfectly clear, this is not information we collect it on european citizens. it represents information that collected nato allies in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. i understand you correctly, this information was collected external to the country of which it was reported in defense of operations in which nato participates. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> as you study the networks of aboutrld -- let's talk the european union for a second, if i may. is it possible for chinese intelligence services to use networks you would find in any nation in the european union? >> absolutely. >> how about russian intelligence services? networksy use european inside the european union? >> yes. >> how about al qaeda? could they use networks found in the european union to plan execution of operations? >> they could absolutely. it be in the purview of the national security agency to try to prevent those activities if it was targeted at the united states or o
to nsa partners. to be perfectly clear, this is not information we collect it on european citizens. it represents information that collected nato allies in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. i understand you correctly, this information was collected external to the country of which it was reported in defense of operations in which nato participates. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> as you study the networks of aboutrld -- let's talk the european...
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one key fact we need to keep in mind is that nsa's focus is on foreign threats under fisa nsa does not target target americans in the u.s. and does not target americans anywhere else without a court order. they are to fisa authorities that have been highlighted in the the press prefers the business records provision known as section 215 which allows the government to legally correct what is called metadata a phone number and length of call, not content. no names, no commerce asians, no content. let me be clear. under 215 the nsa cannot listen to anyone's phonecalls. what section 215 does is allow the government to connect the dots. these dots could have been connected to prevent 9/11 and are necessary to prevent the next attack. we could have determined one of the 9/11 attackers for hijackers was in san diego and made a call to an al qaeda number in yemen. i shudder to think what connections will be missed if the program were completely eliminated. keep in mind law enforcement obtains and analyzes these types of records every day to stop organized crime and keep drugs out. we don't wan
one key fact we need to keep in mind is that nsa's focus is on foreign threats under fisa nsa does not target target americans in the u.s. and does not target americans anywhere else without a court order. they are to fisa authorities that have been highlighted in the the press prefers the business records provision known as section 215 which allows the government to legally correct what is called metadata a phone number and length of call, not content. no names, no commerce asians, no content....
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. >> nsa spying scandal just won't go away. now congress is preparing to step in with landmark legislation that could drastically change what the agency does and how they do it. how to scare pirates on the open seas? by blasting britney spears. world series didn't end with a ridiculous play but one team is one play away from a title. this is way too early. good morning everybody, brian shactman. nfl game in st. louis last night as well. absolutely no doubt that that is a baseball town. seahawks rams tickets going for 10 bucks just before kick-off. world highlights on that game as well. we want to start this morning with the nsa. this morning it's not just america's allies who are upset over the agency's wiretapping. one of the staunchest backers, diane feinstein now calling for a full review of the mass data collection at home and abroad. the california democrat who chairs the senate intelligence committee says she's totally opposed to spying on u.s. allies according to her congress has not been adequately kept in the loop. fei
. >> nsa spying scandal just won't go away. now congress is preparing to step in with landmark legislation that could drastically change what the agency does and how they do it. how to scare pirates on the open seas? by blasting britney spears. world series didn't end with a ridiculous play but one team is one play away from a title. this is way too early. good morning everybody, brian shactman. nfl game in st. louis last night as well. absolutely no doubt that that is a baseball town....
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if you just take the 300 compliance officers of nsa alone, let alone the rest of the apparatus of nsa that is devoted to oversight, my staff, dod's staff, the department of justice, the fisa court, the civil liberties and privacy officers, igs, and the amount of time they spend, it is very costly program in terms of both manpower and dollars. i just don't have a figure. >> one last comment, reflection, is there anything either one of you can think of within your authority to do to address civil liberties and privacy issues that you're not doing? >> from my perspective, no. one of the things, and i was just going to have chris add one element if i could on here to your question. >> we'd actually just described a note to ourselves, but at nsa, the annual dollars we spend on this, the 30 million, and we have 300 full-time e qif lance, but what i scribed on the note is it's everybody's job. everyone has a role to play in compliance. we bring our employees in on their first day whether military or civilian, we give them all the oath of office, tell them it's to the constitution, the whole
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but particularly with nsa and health care as you point out, nsa situation obviously a huge domestic and foreign policy issue, health care is his signature achievement to this point in his presidency. you would think he would be more in the loop is a way of saying it than he has been. >> how much of this shock that's being expressed by the allies just simply to try to get some leverage with the u.s. because everyone knew this was going on and they do it to us and we do it to them. the world of spying. >> you have to express anger this is going on. if you suspected or knew it was going on. they can use it effectively for leverage. the question now is whether or not united states is going to enter into new nonspying agreements with countries they have long resisted entering these agreements with. so whether it's the french or germans, you know, they now have a good deal of leverage to try to negotiate these pacts if they so choose. it's quite possible one result is there will be more nonspying agreements with european allies than there were before. >> i would bet on germany and not on fran
but particularly with nsa and health care as you point out, nsa situation obviously a huge domestic and foreign policy issue, health care is his signature achievement to this point in his presidency. you would think he would be more in the loop is a way of saying it than he has been. >> how much of this shock that's being expressed by the allies just simply to try to get some leverage with the u.s. because everyone knew this was going on and they do it to us and we do it to them. the...
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but could even the vatican be vulnerable to nsa eavesdropping? a report in italy's panorama magazine saying the nsa intercepted calls into and out of the residence where cardinals stayed before the recent papal conclave where pope francis was chosen. on the heels made by dared snowden that the nsa listened in on angela merkel cell phone calls and may have had access from dozens of other world leaders some say it doesn't matter. u.s. intelligence officials all but knit they do spy on america's allies. >> some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie "casablan a "casablanca." >> my god, gamblizing going on here. some sort of thing. >> reporter: they say one of the way the nsa can reestablish trust. >> if it came forward and was more open and more transparent about what it does and why it does these things, including spying on our friends and allies, i think people may say that makes sense. >> reporter: the vatican responded to the panorama report saying we are not concerned. others say if anyone is listening in on the vatican, there could be g
but could even the vatican be vulnerable to nsa eavesdropping? a report in italy's panorama magazine saying the nsa intercepted calls into and out of the residence where cardinals stayed before the recent papal conclave where pope francis was chosen. on the heels made by dared snowden that the nsa listened in on angela merkel cell phone calls and may have had access from dozens of other world leaders some say it doesn't matter. u.s. intelligence officials all but knit they do spy on america's...
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first and foremost, i've had eight-plus years at nsa. they are among the finest people in this country. what they do every day for this nation is unheralded. we don't get a lot of fanfare out of it, but it's absolutely superb. saturday i had the opportunity to work, again, which we have done every weekend since i've been there, to support our troops in afghanistan who are under threat of an attack. we do that all the time. our people were in there supporting our troops, supporting the military operations. and in eight-plus years, not one person has ever come up to me and said, i have to work tonight or the weekend. they always come in. they protect our troops, and they protect this country. they've taken an oath to defend the nation and to protect our civil liberties and privacy. and they do that better than anyone i have ever seen. it is a privilege and honor to work next to them every day. what i want to tell you about is how did we get here, talk about the business record fisa, and i want to give you insights to what we see going on w
first and foremost, i've had eight-plus years at nsa. they are among the finest people in this country. what they do every day for this nation is unheralded. we don't get a lot of fanfare out of it, but it's absolutely superb. saturday i had the opportunity to work, again, which we have done every weekend since i've been there, to support our troops in afghanistan who are under threat of an attack. we do that all the time. our people were in there supporting our troops, supporting the military...
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you've got people angry about nsa surveillance. he's now angry about nsa surveillance because he doesn't like the fact that angela merkle's phone was tapped. he can get angry, but in the end as he likes to say himself, the buck stops here. i'm the president of the united states. and he needs to make it clear within the white house that it's important that the bad news get to him because if he gets the bad news then he can prevent the problems. but you know how that works in the white house, wolf, people protect the president. they don't like it to go up the chain of command to the president. and he becomes isolated. and there has to be some way as a president as a manager, you say you know what, that's not good for me, and it's not good for the country. >> his aides or other officials at hhs knew there were problems in early september. we got the document showing those concerns. but apparently nobody shared those concerns with the president. >> right. and why would the president be the last to know. we've heard in history oh, they'
you've got people angry about nsa surveillance. he's now angry about nsa surveillance because he doesn't like the fact that angela merkle's phone was tapped. he can get angry, but in the end as he likes to say himself, the buck stops here. i'm the president of the united states. and he needs to make it clear within the white house that it's important that the bad news get to him because if he gets the bad news then he can prevent the problems. but you know how that works in the white house,...
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. >> front page headline in the "wall street journal" president obama did not know about the nsa spying on our allies. also, last night on "60 minutes" mass confusion in libya was documented. tonight the factor will analyze both stories with brit hume. >> i think things have gotten so bad inside iraq from the standpoint the iraqi people my belief is we will in fact be greeted as liberators. >> former vice president dick cheney makes his first appearance in the no spin zone. we will talk to him about iraq, afghanistan, and how he came back from near death. >> pinhead or patriot? >> i like him. >> you like him. >> i like him. >> you don't know who the vice president of the united states is. >> no. but i know the president though. >> you should be proud. >> also up ahead watters world pinhead and patriots. >> that's a very seductive look. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. thanks for watching us tonight. i don't want to know. that is the subject of this eveningens talking points memo. as we reported last week there are at least half a dozen ma
. >> front page headline in the "wall street journal" president obama did not know about the nsa spying on our allies. also, last night on "60 minutes" mass confusion in libya was documented. tonight the factor will analyze both stories with brit hume. >> i think things have gotten so bad inside iraq from the standpoint the iraqi people my belief is we will in fact be greeted as liberators. >> former vice president dick cheney makes his first appearance in...
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the washington testimony and head of nsa and clapper and director of national intelligence. it seems they feel it is okay to do this stuff without explanation or accountability and that is a government on autopilot. >> kt, thank you. we'll see where it goes. kt mcfar land with us today. >> meanwhile, a deadly chain reaction crash triggered by mother nature. the highway pile up that left drivers running for their lives. >> and obama care and the doctor issue. >> and cathleap sebelius defending the president's claim if you like your health care, you can keep it. people are asking it. >> i will remind you some people like to drive a ford and not a ferrar i. and you are taking away their choice. the day we rescued riley, was a truly amazing day. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. from contractors and doctors to dog sitters and landscapers. you can find it all on angie's list. join today. of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza®. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar, but it didn't get me to
the washington testimony and head of nsa and clapper and director of national intelligence. it seems they feel it is okay to do this stuff without explanation or accountability and that is a government on autopilot. >> kt, thank you. we'll see where it goes. kt mcfar land with us today. >> meanwhile, a deadly chain reaction crash triggered by mother nature. the highway pile up that left drivers running for their lives. >> and obama care and the doctor issue. >> and...
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>> well, let me say something about the nsa. i believe the nsa is filled with good patriotic people who want to do the right thing. they follow the orders they're given. the administration controls intelligence. the national intelligence framework is put together by the administration. it begins with the director of national intelligence, it goes to the white house, it's the president, it's the nsc the cabinet and then the framework is formed. now, what happens is, people add to it, state wants this, department of state wants to know this. or somebody else wants to know that. priorities are ranked. as i understand it these are the priorities. one, terrorism. two, support of our military abroad. three, nuclear counter proliferation. four, hard targets. and now cyber. and those are the main areas. so essentially the nsa is told to do certain things and it does it. what i think we need to do, we work very well with the house committee and leadership, mike rogers and congressman rupersberger is review of the intelligence framework o
>> well, let me say something about the nsa. i believe the nsa is filled with good patriotic people who want to do the right thing. they follow the orders they're given. the administration controls intelligence. the national intelligence framework is put together by the administration. it begins with the director of national intelligence, it goes to the white house, it's the president, it's the nsc the cabinet and then the framework is formed. now, what happens is, people add to it, state...
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a story we're going to cover in a little bit, nsa listening to world leader phone calls, didn't know about that. is it possible or conceivable that president obama could be out of the loop on some of these big item sns. >> it's conceivable to me he could be out of the loop on any one of them. but it's hard to believe he wouldn't have known about any of them, any of these ones they said he didn't know about. we've been given to believe this is a very bright, very curious man who cares about policy details, grasps without difficulty and asks without questions. the picture that emerges from the array of things he was not in the loop on was a more disengaged president leaving it all to others. in which case it's imperative that you pick good others. it's questionable whether he has. >> all right, brit. thank you. >>> the health care fiasco is playing a big role in the contest for governor. just how important that may be. >> hold back the tide of obama care. i need your vote on november 5th. >> crunch time in virginia's race for governor and republican ken cuccinelli trying to make refere
a story we're going to cover in a little bit, nsa listening to world leader phone calls, didn't know about that. is it possible or conceivable that president obama could be out of the loop on some of these big item sns. >> it's conceivable to me he could be out of the loop on any one of them. but it's hard to believe he wouldn't have known about any of them, any of these ones they said he didn't know about. we've been given to believe this is a very bright, very curious man who cares...
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the nsa leaker edward snowden. they weren't aware of government hacking and google says it is troubled by the report and the nsa denies it. an italian magazine is reporting the nsa tapped into phones of the vatican around the time the conclave took place to elect pope francis, but the pope's spokesperson said she's not concerned about it. >>> the justice department is reporting that the company that had the background check didn't have quality control reviews. they are huge in the background check industry taking in 195 million in government payments just last year. >>> and the three musketeers. up next we'll talk to the first republican in the house to sign up to the democratic immigration reform bill. so far, two other republicans have joined him and can he convince more to get onboard? [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] he
the nsa leaker edward snowden. they weren't aware of government hacking and google says it is troubled by the report and the nsa denies it. an italian magazine is reporting the nsa tapped into phones of the vatican around the time the conclave took place to elect pope francis, but the pope's spokesperson said she's not concerned about it. >>> the justice department is reporting that the company that had the background check didn't have quality control reviews. they are huge in the...
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they were closely with the nsa that about one third of those documents are nsa documents. the guardian shared those 50,000 documents with us that "the new york times" and some of us have spent the last couple of months going through them. >> and talk about what most shock you by the documents you have gotten better from the national security agency. we have gone through some of the points. you begin with ban ki-moon last april. why don't you start there. >> i used to be with "the baltimoresun" and i wrote back in 1985 and can say i was not shocked about any of this, but i think perhaps one of the most interesting questions these documents raise is i refer to the agency as an omnivore. they're under pressure from policymakers, from the white house, see -- cia, dod to the state department to sort of the prepared to supply information on almost anything. inrisis breaks out tomorrow an unexpected place, and nsa is under heavy pressure to produce intelligence from that place. and that combined with a big- budget in secrecy has, i think, created what actually secretary of state
they were closely with the nsa that about one third of those documents are nsa documents. the guardian shared those 50,000 documents with us that "the new york times" and some of us have spent the last couple of months going through them. >> and talk about what most shock you by the documents you have gotten better from the national security agency. we have gone through some of the points. you begin with ban ki-moon last april. why don't you start there. >> i used to be...
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the nsa spying scandal spiraling out of control. a new report out of germany claiming that president obama knew the u.s. was conducting surveillance on chancellor angela merkel in 2010 even though he assured her by phone last week, he did not know anything. this morning, u.s. officials are claiming the obama administration ended the nsa operation that spied on merkel this past summer, as soon as they found out about it. we get more from have been cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. >> reporter: the newest edward snowden documents report more spying on america's closest allies. in spain the nsa reports listening in on 60 million phone calls in a single month and in germany a newspaper reports that president obama was briefed by nsa chief keith alexander about spying on german chance large angela merkel's calls back in 2010 and contradicting white house assurances that the president was not aware of the extent of the surveillance. the nsa quickly denied the report saying the following. nor has he ever discussed al
the nsa spying scandal spiraling out of control. a new report out of germany claiming that president obama knew the u.s. was conducting surveillance on chancellor angela merkel in 2010 even though he assured her by phone last week, he did not know anything. this morning, u.s. officials are claiming the obama administration ended the nsa operation that spied on merkel this past summer, as soon as they found out about it. we get more from have been cnn's chief national security correspondent jim...
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in fact, your aument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies also saying that the american economy is undermined by the dysfunction in washington. i'm not calling on the president to be a better leader. i think that is a silly and simplistic notion. i am pointing out the fact that you have a group in congress that have decided they don't care if they hold the country hostage, they don't care if they hold the economy hostage, they don't care if they blow up their own party, they will do whatever they can to undermine the president. >> you also have -- guys, you also have -- >> you're absolutely right that the right has decided whoever is president, whoever is democratic presid
in fact, your aument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies...
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allies saying they're furious at the alleged extent of nsa surveillance on their turf. today, the u.s. ambassador to spain was called in for a dressing down by the spanish foreign minister. a spanish newspaper publishing a shocking number, 60. 6-0 million phone calls of average citizens intercepted by the nsa in the past year alone. so joining me now, christiane amanpour, cnn's chief international correspondent and a professor at princeton university. christiane to you, first, because the big pushback coming from this unidentified source, the wall street journal, saying the president did not know the nsa was spying on foreign leaders, put a stop to it once he found out. let's take the president at his word. why didn't he know? >> look, i have absolutely zero idea about whether he knew whether he didn't, why he didn't, or what. what i do know is spying has been, you know, as old as diplomacy itself. it is part of accepted statecraft. it's not pleasant. they don't like it, but they all know it happens. i think the issue is the publics in europe were very upset. in germany
allies saying they're furious at the alleged extent of nsa surveillance on their turf. today, the u.s. ambassador to spain was called in for a dressing down by the spanish foreign minister. a spanish newspaper publishing a shocking number, 60. 6-0 million phone calls of average citizens intercepted by the nsa in the past year alone. so joining me now, christiane amanpour, cnn's chief international correspondent and a professor at princeton university. christiane to you, first, because the big...
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surveilance is in some cases the nsa reached too far. those are the exact words used by secretary of state john kerry. lis. >> and in some cases i acknowledge as has the president some of these actions have reached -- we are going to make sure that does not happen in the future. >> congress moving to limit the nsa spying capabilities at least domestically. yesterday the senate intelligence committee approving a bill that focuses on a program which collects metapate data on telephone calls by americans. >> and evan perez is with us from washington. what kind of changes are we talking about specifically? >> well, suzanne, these are very limited changes. they're not, they're still going to be claekting this type of metadata. this is basically you know, information on what numbers you're calling. how long the call took place and that kind of thing. and right now, what the nsa is doing is collecting all of this information on almost every phone call made by u.s. phone customers and it stores this. now, this bill that was approved by the senat
surveilance is in some cases the nsa reached too far. those are the exact words used by secretary of state john kerry. lis. >> and in some cases i acknowledge as has the president some of these actions have reached -- we are going to make sure that does not happen in the future. >> congress moving to limit the nsa spying capabilities at least domestically. yesterday the senate intelligence committee approving a bill that focuses on a program which collects metapate data on telephone...
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the nsa? >> i suppose again what it does with me and why it makes me very nervous is because i think that we are fragile in so many other ways now. and that we are not standing on the sure footing that the united states has gotten used to. and yet we convince ourselves that we are. and at the same time we are losing friends at a quick pace. so yes, i think we're in a pretty precarious situation now. >> and every time the government shutdown story reemerged on a daily basis, i think i wonder what sean penn thinks of washington coming to a halt, a well-paid halt for the politicians and not for the american people. we'll get the reaction after the break. and also, your reaction to julia roberts, and working with julia roberts, i wish i could do that. see i, i finally got you to smile. i knew i could do that. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and
the nsa? >> i suppose again what it does with me and why it makes me very nervous is because i think that we are fragile in so many other ways now. and that we are not standing on the sure footing that the united states has gotten used to. and yet we convince ourselves that we are. and at the same time we are losing friends at a quick pace. so yes, i think we're in a pretty precarious situation now. >> and every time the government shutdown story reemerged on a daily basis, i think...
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magazine claims the nsa targeted the vatican are not true. look at the statements, that's a carefully worded statement. the question is, did the nsa target some specific individual in the vatican like the pope which this magazine claimed or did some other agency was looking at this type of thing? it's a carefully worded statement. that does not say that the u.s. is not spying on the vatican. so i think this is part of the problem that the administration is having, getting in front, pro actively trying to quash the story, manage it, when you have leaks every day, something different. they need a better strategy to kind of get in front of this, i think, be more transparent because these leaks are coming. >> hard to protect the system of intelligence gathering when that's happening, the drip, drip. >> good to see you in person. >> come down more. >> come back. >> i will. >> imagine what they're saying on the phone with the pope? i'd like to be in on those calls. >> i don't know i'd want to know. >> edward snowden, former government contractor wh
magazine claims the nsa targeted the vatican are not true. look at the statements, that's a carefully worded statement. the question is, did the nsa target some specific individual in the vatican like the pope which this magazine claimed or did some other agency was looking at this type of thing? it's a carefully worded statement. that does not say that the u.s. is not spying on the vatican. so i think this is part of the problem that the administration is having, getting in front, pro actively...
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and google and now the nsa is pushing back. plus dr. sanjay gupta was the last journalist to have an exclusive interview with kathleen sebelius. is her message about obama care better today than it was last week when he sat down with her? sanjay standing by to join us live. #%tia[ >>> new developments in the scandal over u.s. government spying. also new allegations the ns after the tapped in to yahoo! and google communications which are used by hundreds of millions of people.nd google communicati are used by hundreds of millions of people.the tapped in to yaho google communications which are used by hundreds of millions of people.apped in to yahoo! and g communications which are used by hundreds of millions of people. jim sciutto is working the story for us. the "washington post" reports the nsa infiltrated links to yahoo! and google, servers globally that the agency is using this practice to get around port approved process. you've been investigating. what have you found? >> the story in effect is that they have gone into the communica
and google and now the nsa is pushing back. plus dr. sanjay gupta was the last journalist to have an exclusive interview with kathleen sebelius. is her message about obama care better today than it was last week when he sat down with her? sanjay standing by to join us live. #%tia[ >>> new developments in the scandal over u.s. government spying. also new allegations the ns after the tapped in to yahoo! and google communications which are used by hundreds of millions of people.nd google...
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but in fact, the nsa collected no information in europe. they say that any information, i in of this meta data, that's with a it was. not phone call or conten was done by european services, not by the nsa. that it was not in fact the citizens of those countries, france and spain, but collected from a number of sources by the u.s. and nato allies in support of military operations abroad. here's how they made that case at the hearings today. >> the assertions by spain, italy, that nsa collected ten of million of phone call are completely false. to be perfectly clear, this is not information that we collected on european citizens. it represents information that we and our nato allies have collected in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. >> so in effect, they're saying that one of the strongest reasons for this anger we've been seeing from europe started with nothing. the misinterpretation, erin, of a single power point slide. >> wow, we shall see. that was the tip of the iceberg. thanks so much to you. >> republican
but in fact, the nsa collected no information in europe. they say that any information, i in of this meta data, that's with a it was. not phone call or conten was done by european services, not by the nsa. that it was not in fact the citizens of those countries, france and spain, but collected from a number of sources by the u.s. and nato allies in support of military operations abroad. here's how they made that case at the hearings today. >> the assertions by spain, italy, that nsa...
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the nsa has reportedly secretly broken into the main communications link that connect google and yahoo!centers around the world. according to the washington post, the agency has processed millions of records ranging from metadata such as audio and video. the text sites those from edward snowden. >>> people driving on the san mateo bridge might see some unusual work going on with the transmission lines running next to the bridge. pg&e linemen are hanging from helicopters as they replace the high-capacity electric lines that cross the bay. it's called long lining. that was going on this morning on one of the towers at the west side of the bridge nearest foster city. >> this is actually practice -- this is a practice that pg&e pioneered. we were the first to use long lining and have used it for a number of years. it's the most effective way to replace transition lines in conditions like this. >> the work is part of a $10 million project scheduled to wrap up by the end of the year. >>> state lawmakers are considering several proposals to crack down on told-vadders. this comes as an estimat
the nsa has reportedly secretly broken into the main communications link that connect google and yahoo!centers around the world. according to the washington post, the agency has processed millions of records ranging from metadata such as audio and video. the text sites those from edward snowden. >>> people driving on the san mateo bridge might see some unusual work going on with the transmission lines running next to the bridge. pg&e linemen are hanging from helicopters as they...